Jason Kelce shared insight into the fanfare surrounding brother Travis Kelce’s romance with Taylor Swift and how the new level of fame has affected him and wife Kylie Kelce.

Watch: Jason Kelce Shares How Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s “Crazy” Fame is Affecting His Family

The camera flashes may make it look like a dream, but Jason Kelce isn’t necessarily sure he’s the lucky one.

Indeed, the former Philadelphia Eagles center recently shared how his brother Travis Kelce‘s headline-making relationship with Taylor Swift has impacted the entire Kelce family—including him and wife Kylie Kelce.

“It’s been crazy,” Jason admitted on a June 7 episode of The Whiskey Ginger podcast. “Travis and Taylor have taken it to another level and that’s a whole other side of it. Kylie and I think we have it bad and then we go hang out with one of them, and it’s like, ‘This is a whole other situation here.’ You can’t be a normal person at that point.”

And when host Andrew Santino suggested that Kylie—with whom Jason shares daughters Wyatt, 4, Elliotte, 3, and Bennett, 16 months—is arguably more famous than the former NFL star, he noted, “She should be.”

Of course, Jason and Kylie did open up their own lives to the public with the 2023 documentary Kelce, about his journey in the NFL. However just a few weeks later, Travis and Taylor began dating publicly, taking the entire family’s life in the public eye to new heights. And the level of fame they’ve reached at this point has almost become too much for his wife.

“I think she’s a little bit uncomfortable with how much it’s become,” he continued. “I do think some of the other stuff she’s a little bit more hesitant and, ‘I didn’t really sign up for this.’ It’s big and our family’s out there and people know what our kids look like. We’ve tried to retract from that a little bit.”

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However, Jason also acknowledged how Kylie, 32, has seen the positives in the family’s newfound fame—specifically in how she can help others.

“She enjoys the fact that she gets to go and do charitable outings,” he explained. “She gets to give back to the community. She gets to do clinics with little girls for field hockey and all these other things. She enjoys that aspect of it.”

And while the 36-year-old admitted that he and his wife don’t always love being approached when they’re out in public, especially when the interaction isn’t positive, he emphasized that “the vast majority of people are beyond respectful and appreciative and you realize we’re in a position of great fortune to be where we’re at.”

As for how Jason thinks Travis is handling it all? “I think he’s stayed true to himself,” Jason shared. “He’s humble. He treats everyone with the utmost respect, like they’re equals, regardless of who they are.”

For his own part, Travis has vocalized that while his new level of fame is unprecedented, he isn’t fighting the alchemy when it comes to his relationship with Taylor.

“I’ve never dealt with it,” Travis told WSJ. Magazine in November. “But at the same time, I’m not running away from any of it.”

He also praised Taylor’s ability to handle a scene when the couple is out there in plain sight.

“The scrutiny she gets, how much she has a magnifying glass on her, every single day, paparazzi outside her house, outside every restaurant she goes to, after every flight she gets off, and she’s just living, enjoying life,” he gushed. “When she acts like that I better not be the one acting all strange.”

Keep reading to see why a love like Taylor and Travis’ only happens every few lifetimes.

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No. 1: He’s a Swiftie

Long before Taylor Swift‘s attendance at the Kansas City Chief’s Sept. 24 game became one of the definitive pop culture moments of the year, Travis Kelce was an admirer of the Grammy winner.

The star tight end’s interest in Taylor was first revealed by one of his teammates in a TikTok video posted by the Chiefs in August (which, in hindsight, was when the pair were secretly dating).

Before Travis could answer the prompt of who his celebrity crush was, wide receiver Marquez Valdes-Scantling spilled, “Taylor Swift!”

Travis smiled at the camera before holding his finger up to his moustache, saying, “Alright now!”

Plus, Travis was just one of many celebs to attend Taylor’s record-breaking Eras Tour this summer. But more on that enchanting moment in a bit…

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No. 2: He’s Not Her Usual Type (on Paper)

While he does have that daydream look in his eyes (especially when he sees Taylor on the big-screen at one of his games), Travis stands out a bit when you look back at Taylor’s dating history.

She is typically attracted to creative types, including actors (Joe Alwyn, Jake Gyllenhaal, Taylor Lautner and Tom Hiddleston) and musicians (Calvin Harris, John Mayer, Harry Styles and, most recently, Matty Healy).

But perhaps that’s why her romance with the lighthearted and cheeky athlete—who signed a four-year deal with the Chiefs worth $57 million in 2020—feels like such a refreshing option for Taylor after her six-year uber-private relationship with Joe came to an end in April 2023.

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No. 3: He Publicly Pursued Her

Looks like the eight-time Pro Bowler’s wishes came true after he all but manifested his rumored romance with the superstar through sheer will, determination and declarations of infatuation.

Travis publicly aired his failed attempt to shoot his shot and talk to Taylor when he attended the Kansas City stop on her Eras Tour July 7. As it turns out, he had a special gift for her: A friendship bracelet bearing his “number” that he hoped to give Taylor. (He wouldn’t definitely say if it was his jersey number or phone number.)

Despite his claim that he was “disappointed” he failed to meet her after the concert, Taylor confirmed to TIME that she belatedly caught his podcast pass.

“Travis very adorably put me on blast on his podcast, which I thought was metal as hell,” she recalled. “We started hanging out right after that. So we actually had a significant amount of time that no one knew, which I’m grateful for, because we got to get to know each other.”

So, that whole theory about the Sept. 24 game being their first official hang? As Taylor clarified to TIME, “We would never be psychotic enough to hard launch a first date.”

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No. 4: She Isn’t In Hiding

Since her breakup with Joe, Taylor has been seen in public much more frequently, including outings with friends in NYC and jubilant appearances at award shows, like the 2023 MTV VMAs and the 2024 Grammys.

But her most talked-about appearance? Sitting in Travis’ suite at the Chief’s Sept. 24 home game against the Chicago Bears.

Rather than shy away from the attention, Taylor cheered and screamed “Let’s f–king go!” when Travis scored a touchdown. Like the public, even Travis admitted he was caught off-guard by Taylor accepting his invite.

“Shoutout to Taylor for pulling up, that was pretty ballsy,” Travis said during the Sept. 27 episode of the New Heights podcast. “I just thought it was awesome how everyone in the suite had nothing but great things to say about her, the friends and family.”

“She looked amazing,” he added. ” It was definitely a game I will remember, that’s for damn sure.”

Since then, Taylor and Travis have been photographed hand-in-hand on dates in New York City and have made multiple visits to a Christmas bar in Kansas City, where they were not shy about showing PDA.

And, after revealing to TIME that she retreated from the spotlight after Kim Kardashian‘s infamous leaked phone call in 2016, Taylor is going out tonight…and every night, if she wants to, thank you very much.

“Life is short,” she said. “Have adventures. Me locking myself away in my house for a lot of years—I’ll never get that time back. I’m more trusting now than I was six years ago.”

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No. 5: He Knows When to Pull Back

While Travis isn’t afraid to spill some tea on his podcast about his interactions with Taylor, he still expressed his boundaries about addressing his personal life moving forward.

“I know I brought all this attention to me,” he explained. “I did the whole friendship bracelet thing and told everyone how butthurt I was that I didn’t get to meet Taylor.” However, he continued, he didn’t plan to give a full play-by-play of their relationship.

“What’s real is that it is my personal life and I want to respect both of our lives,” he explained. “I’m enjoying life and I sure as hell enjoyed this weekend. So everything moving forward, I think me talking about sports and saying ‘alright nah’ will have to be where I keep it.”

He doubled-down on his desire to play it cool in an interview with the Wall Street Journal.

“Everybody around me telling me: Don’t f–k this up! And me sitting here saying: Yeah—got it,” he told the outlet, before addressing the media attention. “That was the biggest thing to me: make sure I don’t say anything that would push Taylor away.”

But that doesn’t mean he’s been able to resist publicly talking about his girlfriend—crediting her for the boost in sales of his jersey and calling her “amazing” after she was booed by New England Patriots fans at his Dec. 17 game.

“I’ve never been a man of words,” he admitted to WSJ. “Being around her, seeing how smart Taylor is, has been f–king mind-blowing. I’m learning every day.”

No. 6: He’s Family-Oriented

Like Taylor, who is close with her parents, particularly her mother Andrea, Travis hails from a tight-knit fam, including his parents Ed and Donna Kelce.

Donna became a beloved public figure when she became the first mother to have two sons playing against each other in a Super Bowl, when Travis faced off against his older brother, Philadelphia Eagles center Jason Kelce, in the big game last February.

“For all the stars to align and for them to get through high school and college and the pros. And for them to both play in the Pro Bowl and to play in the Super Bowl, and then for this to happen,” Donna told ET at the time. “This is just like a dream come true. I can’t express enough how special this is for the family and it’s just crazy.”

Donna, who was married to Ed for 25 years before they divorced, supported both of her sons by wearing a half-black, half-red Eagles and Chiefs jacket.

After the Super Bowl, which saw the Chiefs best the Eagles, Travis and Jason got emotional while reflecting on sharing the experience with Donna.

“The moment I saw mom is when I got really emotional,” Jason said on the brothers’ New Heights podcast. “It was so awesome…She was on top of the world for a week.”

“She was the heavyweight champ man,” Travis added. “She was on top of it, and she shined the whole time.”

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No. 7: He’s Super-Close With His Brother

Like Taylor and her younger brother Austin Swift, Travis has a special bond with his older brother Jason, who inspired him to play football.

In addition to their impressive careers as NFL players, Travis and Jason launched their podcast New Heights in September 2022, a project that has only strengthened their relationship.

“What this did was gave us a scheduled two to three hour window where we have to talk to each other and we have to talk about what we’re going through, throughout the week and throughout the games,” Travis told NBC Sports in February. “It’s almost been like therapy, man.”

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No. 8: They Have a Mutual Friend

Sure, the pair technically never met until this year, but there have been a few invisible strings tying them together.

Taylor and Travis both count Miles Teller as a friend, with the Top Gun: Maverick star and his wife Keleigh Sperry even being recruited by Taylor to star in the music video for “I Bet You Think About Me” off Red (Taylor’s Version) in 2021.

Travis, meanwhile, joined Miles and Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes for golfing practice ahead of the American Century Championship in 2022.

Miles tweeted a photo of himself on the golf course with the athletes, writing, “Grip it and rip it.” Travis proved the bromance was real when he reposted the shot and added, “Back at it like we never left!!”

(Interestingly enough, Miles is a noted diehard Philadelphia Eagles fans, so perhaps he put in a word with Jason to broker an IRL meet-up between Travis and Taylor?)

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No. 9: The Squad Is Shipping

While Taylor attended the Sept. 24 game solo, she brought an entourage of celebrity friends with her when she attended the Chiefs’ match-up against the New York Jets at New Jersey’s Metlife Stadium on Oct. 1.

She was accompanied by BFFs Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds and his friend Hugh Jackman, as well as Sophie Turner, Sabrina Carpenter and Queer Eye‘s Antoni Porowski.

While their attendance at the game spoke volumes, even more telling was Ryan following Travis on Instagram.

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No. 10: He Can Handle the Pressure

Not only has Travis played in three, soon to be four, Super Bowls, winning two of them (NBD!), but he’s also hosted Saturday Night Live, so you know he can handle intense spotlight with ease.

That may seem trivial, but Taylor has penned several songs regarding her fear that her level of fame could prove to be too much for her romantic partner to handle. (See: “Peace” and “The Archer.”)

“It all depends who you’re with,” Taylor said in, “If they have a serious issue with it, I guess you’ll hide or whatever, but I don’t really like that, because it makes me feel like I’m running from the law or something. I don’t want to feel like a fugitive, like, ‘Oh my god, we’re having a relationship, better hide!’

“I feel like if you can be in a relationship and have it seem normal, that would be good.”

And in his WSJ interview, Travis proved he’s more than ready for the pressure that comes with dating someone as powerful as Taylor.

“Obviously I’ve never dated anyone with that kind of aura about them…I’ve never dealt with it,” he said. “But at the same time, I’m not running away from any of it.”

“The scrutiny she gets, how much she has a magnifying glass on her, every single day, paparazzi outside her house, outside every restaurant she goes to, after every flight she gets off, and she’s just living, enjoying life,” he added. “When she acts like that I better not be the one acting all strange.”

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No. 11: They Support One Another

Further proving their love is worthy of a rom-com treatment, fans were swooning after a concertgoer captured video of Taylor running into Travis’ arms and exchanging a passionate kiss after performing in Argentina Nov. 11. And that was after she changed the lyrics in Karma from “the guy on the screen” to “the guy on the Chiefs,” much to Travis’ surprise as he attended alongside her father, Scott Swift.

Turning out for one another’s stadium takeovers—Taylor has now attended 12 Chiefs games and is expected at the Super Bowl despite a Feb. 10 concert in Tokyo—is a show of how serious their relationship is.

“I’m going to see him do what he loves, we’re showing up for each other, other people are there and we don’t care,” Taylor told TIME of their public support. “The opposite of that is you have to go to an extreme amount of effort to make sure no one knows that you’re seeing someone. And we’re just proud of each other.”

And if her presence at the NFL games annoys you, well, Taylor can’t even be bothered to have bad blood with you.

“There’s a camera, like, a half-mile away, and you don’t know where it is, and you have no idea when the camera is putting you in the broadcast, so I don’t know if I’m being shown 17 times or once,” she said. “I’m just there to support Travis. I have no awareness of if I’m being shown too much and pissing off a few dads, Brads, and Chads.”

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No. 12: His Birthday

Travis turned 34 on Oct. 5 meaning he was born in—are you ready for it?—1989. Screaming, crying, throwing up, etc.

13. A Special Connection

Speaking of Killa Trav’s birthday, did you know he shares his with Taylor’s late grandmother Marjorie Finlay, the subject of her song “Marjorie” off of 2020’s evermore? If we didn’t know better, we’d think this is a sign…